BB26 Sunday Recap, Lisa Returns, Ep 25

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP. I'm your host Taran Armstrong and we are here tonight

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_04]: to talk through this Sunday night episode of Big Brother 26. And with me to talk about

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: this episode, I have some great guests, one of which is none other than AJ himself. How

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_04]: you doing AJ?

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Taran, I am doing great mainly because I am in my room with a ceiling, which means

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm protected from all bird poops.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. AJ if a bird pooped on your forehead, who would you rub it on?

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would rub it on Poo-ya right now because

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you have the long sleeves on so I can aim anywhere. You could just take it off

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Poo-ya. You could just take it off.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_04]: That's worse. It's easier to take a shower.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_04]: What happens if you can't get it off your clothes?

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, if it gets on my skin, I'm having an emotional breakdown. It's not okay. Like

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: this jacket. I would hate it. I would cry, but you know what? Screw this jacket.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I can keep on going with my day.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you might have gathered that also with us tonight is Poo-ya. Poo-ya, AJ just

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: rubbed some bird poop on your long sleeves. How do you feel about that?

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't wear that denim jacket to any of these events in the future, AJ. I will find you

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and I will retaliate in kind in some way, shape or form.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm on it. I just got here.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I just have to let another Gorgon in.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Another Gorgon to pee.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So I just sat down.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just like T-Core.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You're not safe when I'm around.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, so in this equation, I'm chemo too.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Great. Love that.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Love that for me.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_04]: This must have been the moment for Rubina that she was like, man, T-Core really uses

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: us as bird poop shield.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Shields, yeah.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is the moment.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, we are here to talk through this Sunday night episode of Big Brother 26.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know about you guys.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't the best episode.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_05]: You're not wrong.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: You're not wrong.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't disagree with you.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I felt like we definitely I got to this point.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_05]: There's still half an episode left and I had the exact same reaction.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And they stockpiled the filler in there real nice and tight.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So listen, the good news is in podcasting world, when an episode is bad, the podcast

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_05]: usually delivers because the podcast will be good.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_05]: But we have AJ on.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's going to be OK.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, OK, I see how it is.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Booyah.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you something.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That early was a friendly fade, but, you know, you want poop on me, man.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how that's going to feel friendly to me.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, honestly, homie, I was good enough.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought, you know, I won't mind.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently I was wrong.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I misread you as a person.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And this is what I thought as the two best beard havers in our HP.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought we can be friendly.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Came here with the smoke.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I see you want the number one spot.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I see you quite like I respect them.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you see your beard?

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_05]: That'd be blasphemous.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Aaron, I am not a minister society like that.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there are lines you cannot cross, Terran.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And bearddom, you cannot do this.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, boy.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I was kind of looking forward to this episode because I was very curious

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: to see exactly what went down on Thursday night.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was happy that we started with that.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it did kind of quickly get into like the age of age competition.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I was a little boring.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And then and then, you know, then the rest of the episode happened.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But let's let's talk about this, because this assuming they are

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: they're telling the truth in the diarrhea.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And I really don't have any reason to not to not believe them

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: if they're telling the truth, if they're saying this in the diarrhea,

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: they're saying it to each other

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and they're saying it to each other in front of chemo, which is like,

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: why would you say this to chemo if it wasn't true?

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, right.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: We were totally both planning to vote you out.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And then individually changed our minds at the last possible moment.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_04]: This is wild.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Chemo genuinely seems to have flipped independently

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_04]: two separate votes to save himself from eviction with his final pitch.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That has never happened before.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, there's also never been an arena before.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that has a lot to do with it.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's still significant. That's huge.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, this is not something we normally see,

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_05]: especially in the last like couple half a decade.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Even the discourse has always been the goodbye.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_05]: The the speeches don't matter.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_05]: They're kind of just there for people to plug and shout out their family

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_05]: on the way out or just say, do what's best for your game.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I love all of you regardless, which is kind of what we got from Joseph

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: essentially.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Chemos was from the heart.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not the key.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: This was not a plan like I'm going to hit him where it hurts in the fields.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: This was like straight up just speaking from the heart

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_05]: and it rubbed off on two people.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And listen, kudos to them, because he was

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_05]: when we were talking about the arena scenarios,

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_05]: chemo was most likely to leave that night

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_05]: unless he would have won the arena.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: The fact that he didn't win it and still managed to get through is incredible.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Rubbed off like bird poop.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I to see, Darren, to see, to see.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I like it because I'm be honest with you.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I actively usually hate the speeches they give because it's not interesting.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's shout outs.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just thank you for letting me be here.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I've enjoyed all my family.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I see.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I want people to like continue to fight for it,

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: even if you ain't got a surviving chance, like keep fighting.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know who you can sway, whether it's emotionally, strategically.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But you got that moment.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Take your moment and run with it.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I would like people to think is like, OK, this ain't filler anymore.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I can actually do something with it.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm OK with this being the narrative.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It did disappoint me, though, because as as someone who was thinking,

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, Chelsea did this big move with McKinsey to get out

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: someone that she needed to get out.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm like, oh, you low key fell ass backwards under that.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, OK, cool.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think for Chelsea, it like being moved and also feeling

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_05]: like the other person sitting on that block is not good for you.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of a net positive when you when you think of it that way.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not, you know, it's because ultimately if they stay immediately,

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: well, were you not moved?

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you like I was feeling things when Kimo spoke.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So listen, I again, the fallen backwards.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: This is big brother.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: This season falling backwards into a good position or bad position

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: has happened so many times and it's very entertaining.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So I like it.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I like it because hopefully for the future, people recognize

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: that the speeches could change things now nine times out of ten.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: They won't.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: But that one time when it hits, it's going to hit real smooth, real nice.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, does this mean that people should be looking out a little bit,

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: a little looking a little closer at Kimo as like

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_04]: what happens if he's in the final two and he has this kind of speech power in him?

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. If this speech moved you, you're going to be bawling your eyes out

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_05]: at the final two. Like, don't let that happen.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's definitely for me would be a big eye opening moment of listen,

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_05]: no matter what his game resume is,

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: he can make you feel things in the moment with with a little bit of time.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't need a lot of time.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So especially if you're asking questions at this person

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_05]: and they hit you in the feels on the response,

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: that's going to feel even more direct and personal to you.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So I would not count him out on a final two.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd be terrified to sit next to him in a final two.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like imagine him and Angela at the final two chairs together,

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: like the emotions that are going to be going off

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that finale night will be off the chain.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But no, I agree because it helps that a lot that like he's generally

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: well liked in the house, like as a game sense.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people don't mess with them like that.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But like just having that emotional bond of being like,

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: this could be the thing that tips me over from getting a vote or two

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: in a voter to could be the big difference from me being seven hundred

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: fifty thousand dollars richer or not.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I will 100 percent be watching out for chemo

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: as a well spoken person.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I think, Taron, I also like the point you made about how the arena

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_05]: helps this, because if you think about it, most seasons without the arena,

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: there's two outcomes and you've spent the whole week kind of sat on one outcome.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You have to spread your thoughts on three different scenarios here,

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_05]: three different final two block options.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: So you're not going to be as committed, even if when you are full committed.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So I feel like that definitely does help it a little bit.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, they had committed to the idea of flipping the vote

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_04]: to take out Joseph if Rubina was on the block,

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_04]: which means they already did all of the emotional labor

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: of what would it look like to vote out Joseph?

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: What would my games be like with both chemo and Rubina here and Joseph gone?

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: What kind of apologies would I have to give?

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like all of that stuff was already there.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_04]: They'd already done all that prep work for the event

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_04]: that Rubina was on the block with Joseph.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So when chemo is there, it's a lot easier to just be like,

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_04]: actually, let's just go over to where that we did that other work

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_04]: as opposed to a normal week where you have invested

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: all of everything into one result.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the only possible result.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, I think it does make a huge difference.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. And I also feel like the fact that there are so many different scenarios

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: is why when we get to the eviction night, when we get to the last two on the block,

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: when we get to the votes being read, I feel like there's a lot more emotions on high.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's because people haven't processed their goodbyes yet.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Whereas you have like four days of processing post veto on a regular season

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: to be like, this has been fun. I'm going to miss this person.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Like you kind of go through the motions there.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_05]: But because of not knowing who's going to be sitting on that block

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_05]: five minutes before you vote, I think a lot of it is raw and fresh in that moment.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like like how many times have we been on Tuesday already talking about next week

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and the plans that we're going to do next week and the people like

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the person's already out the house in most people's mind.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the fact that like it's not set yet, it's like makes everything so much more raw.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes everything so much more like real in the moment.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're watching a what's that thing called?

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Live not live vision, double vision like every week.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So and you know, in the double vision, sometimes people make silly moves.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: People like panic under the pressure.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And listen, these people aren't skilled.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love them.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I love them all. They're fun.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You know.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't have to be skilled to be fun.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It's true.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the end result of this, of course, is that

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Joseph is gone.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Chemo is still there.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It was the best case scenario for Rubina, chemo and T-Core.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And really, I think at this point you have to you have to go back.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You have to look back at T-Core's H.O.H. and say.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it a failure because she manages to snipe out Tucker

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: without any blowback, without any heat from her own allies.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Tucker is now gone, which opens the field dramatically for her own win equity.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: With Tucker there, she's still fighting a losing battle.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Tucker now gone.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: She still has Rubina.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: She still has chemo.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: She's still in a very solid position.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And Joseph is now gone.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea wins this H.O.H.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and she's tied with Chelsea like all of a sudden things are looking real good.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And that H.O.H. not looking like quite as much of a failure

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: as some people I think were thinking

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to anyone who said getting out the biggest piece of the season was a failure.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Rethink your priorities, because that's stupid.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, like everyone except for maybe Rubina.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Pause. Even Rubina should have won that man gone like at the end of the day.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So I might not been happy as entertainment wise that Tucker went.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But like these people still bring me joy.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: These people still bring me entertainment without Tucker,

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: because that was my biggest fear.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, OK, with Tucker gone, we're going to crater into a boring season,

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: a boring endgame.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And like it's not boring to me.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The episode was, but the game ain't.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I think a couple of things that made me feel less

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: kept less like the Tucker leaving was going to make the game stale or boring

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: or whatever you may call it, is that there's a lot of the yes, the trio is a trio.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_05]: They're trying to try and test the trio.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_05]: They're always going to have each other's backs.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_05]: But there's a lot of cross alliances here.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: T-Core's got connections here.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Kimo's got something here.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Rubina's making kind and good with this person.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And then on the other side, this person likes the trio a lot.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_05]: They still want to work with like there's so many different dynamics here at play,

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: which I think is great.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I think T-Core strength is that you can look at a Tucker leaving as a good

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_05]: or bad for her game, but because of the social capability she has,

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: it's still good regardless of how you look at it.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she still finds herself in good landing spots

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_05]: because of the connection she's made.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: She has now actively brought her trio into the jury phase,

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_05]: which means if she sits at final two and these two end up going home along the way,

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_05]: that's two votes locked in.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_05]: You need two more and you've won the game.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think as of right now, there are quite a few people

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: that can be her three and four or five and six.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_05]: She's looking very good right now.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I did not realize until they counted out this episode,

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: like how deadly it is to be three in the final nine.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they literally just like that is so lethal.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like her somehow being able to keep all her allies in there,

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: despite everyone in the house saying one of them has to go.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Kimo has to go or Rubina has to go.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We cannot let all three of them get to this point.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that there is even a chance that like all three of them

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: could also be walking into the final eight.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The time is like getting short for them to actually make a move.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I know some people want to,

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: but now people are looking at like Chelsea and stuff or MJ as people

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: that like are people that we need to worry about in the future.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I do love what T-Core has been doing.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think T-Core has set herself beautifully to possibly get to the end

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and even win the game.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And not for nothing.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I think obviously the other side of the coin being Tucker

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_05]: staying would have been good for T-Core's game

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_05]: and was never going to go after T-Core, et cetera.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree with all this.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But the same argument that Quinn had with regards to Angela

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_05]: taking up a final two spot and like that's my spot that she's taking kind of thing.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You can think of it similarly with Tucker,

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_05]: where if Tucker keeps winning vetoes and safeties,

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_05]: one of his allies are going to go as a result onto that block.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And it could.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think T-Core, to her credit again, is doing so well

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_05]: that her being on the block is a longer shot than say Kimo sitting on that block

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: or Rubina ending up on that block.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But as the numbers dwindle down, that could happen.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You could be collateral damage to being close enough to talk about proximity.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So having him go as much as it might be a disadvantage to your side

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_05]: winning some stuff, it could still be an advantage to you

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_05]: not being put up a regardless ultimately.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But even on top of that, like you will be sitting

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: on the sideline of Tucker's game at this point in time,

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: not because you can't be making your own little moves,

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: but now you have the potential to win these competitions

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that you didn't have before.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I look at last week with Leah.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Did she ultimately get one of her close allies out the house?

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she did. However.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: However, she has shown herself to be able to win a competition.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: She has earned respect in the house that she didn't have previously.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like and I think other people like a Kimo or Rubina, if

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: or even like a Cam, if they're able to win more competitions now

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and then be able to wield it, even if it don't go their way,

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: they were like, I'm not afraid to willpower when I have it.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: People on the jury is going to respect that versus

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: if Tucker was on the house and Tucker was still winning everything.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You just got to be like, well, I hope I have a tailor in me

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and I can pull out the good speech at the end.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And these people like me over Tucker.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But if not, oh,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: $75,000 ain't bad, I guess.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Well, I in the episode, we do see that

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Cam was left out of this vote.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And for context, for those that don't watch the feeds,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: he literally his one requirement all week long,

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: anytime he was involved in any discussion about the vote was like,

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: honestly, I'm willing to do whatever you guys want to do.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Just don't leave me out of it.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Just let me just I just want to vote with you guys.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And then at the last second, they switch up and he's left.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, are you serious?

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And he tells us this is going to be a new cam moving forward.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_04]: What do you what do we think that means?

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to have dead silence on the podcast, but when I tell you,

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't answer that question because I can't think of what to tell you

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: because new cam and old cam are same cam to me.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if there's a lot of switch up going to going to be happening here

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_05]: anytime soon.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to think hopefully a new cam is

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I am the exact same cam that y'all have seen in the past 40 some days.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But in my head, I'm now thinking selfishly like, OK,

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to tell you what I want to hear.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be honest with y'all.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: However, screw all our money.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to win the game like that's the new cam I would like to see.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I would like to see that, too,

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_05]: based on some of the things I have seen over this weekend.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like if that is the new cam you're looking for,

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_05]: that is not the new cam you're getting.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_05]: As early as maybe this morning's live feed update,

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the conversation has came up about cams and game,

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_05]: which I'm sure we'll get into later in the podcast. Yeah.

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[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we get to the HOH competition

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think this is where the episode really started to lose steam.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It just didn't quite, for me at least, work very well.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't help that it was like a scoring HOH with a ton of people.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like a little difficult to keep track

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and they were all getting questions right.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think the worst part of the whole thing was that

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: the videos were just they just weren't very funny.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: They weren't hitting for you.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: They just did not hit.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't like the petitioner to bring back the the key will.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The key wheel. We want the key wheel.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, OK, you get we get it.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You hate us like that was them just, you know, flipping us off.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And like, yeah, you're not going to get this.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we had a throwback with Amazon Swine being back in the mix.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Lisa clearly being the closest person to the lot

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_05]: that they brought her back for a little bit.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is my personal take.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: This comp would have hit 1000%

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: if it was live at the end of the Thursday Night episode.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_05]: This would have been perfect.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Before and after with such a close competition

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_05]: with four people going to a tiebreaker would have been a nail biter.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It would have been a good time.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_05]: We'd be laughing at the bad numbers with the tiebreaker.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It would have been great.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think edited wise, the comp itself wasn't good.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I personally like the videos because, Taryn, I felt like I was under the influence.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It really it really did not feel like I was having a sober watch of the show.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know where they drew the nether gorgon out and which writer decided,

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_05]: hey, bring back the nether gorgon with another gorgon.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Got to go.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Another gorgon has to really pee really bad.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what we'll do.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That's fair. Listen,

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I was a big fan of of Matt AI,

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_04]: but this one this one didn't quite work for me, but I'm happy it worked for you.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't love the videos.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: However, I adored Angela.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I adored her being so excited, thinking she had a shot to win

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and she was getting giddy.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And then as soon as you got a question wrong, it just went all the way.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, oh, my.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I like that the HOA person also called out the goo.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_05]: So that was a fun moment for me.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, OK, you acknowledge that there's too much goo here. Good.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_05]: At least you get you understand it a little bit.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't mean you're going to stop, but at least you get it.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Some of the videos are like the two fans that were like,

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_05]: oh, my God, we're such huge fans.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, this is kind of cringe. I don't like this.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But everything else, I was like, OK, that's cool.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: See, here's the thing.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I hear a person.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, you're the bad guy.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust you.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_05]: The villain has entered. Forget the nether gorgon.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You're the bad one.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Can we talk about why in this before and after competition?

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: If the answer is before you step forward

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and if the answer is after you step backwards,

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: it should be the other way around, right?

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, 100%.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Like what kind of madness like happened upon them?

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess alphabetical order direction.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_05]: They went alphabetically is my the best way I can put it.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably a spin for them after before.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you have a strong enough opinion to bring that up.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it just bothered me.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I never thought of that.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I let me tell you, I think I would get a question wrong

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: because on instinct, I would go backwards for before.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess it's a step before, step behind you, step after step in front of you.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_05]: But even then, I still feel like it's we're talking about time

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_05]: going back or forward or backward, rewinder forward. Right.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So to me, I agree with you.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess in the moment, I don't think I'd slip up.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think you'd make the mistake, Taron, like you'd forget and go the wrong way?

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Possible, if I'm thinking about many things at once,

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I could see a world where I'm like, OK, that one's obviously before

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and I step up backwards.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think they are like colored steps.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's probably not easy to mix it up.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But like, you know, if I wasn't paying attention, I could see it happen.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I would like that to be your excuse when you lost the H-O-H.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's I mean, that's part of it.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But this is part of the challenge.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm if they did it intentionally to make sure people are paying attention

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: to which answer they choose, like I'm fine with that.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like playing a game with inverted controls.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a little bit.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like on Mario Kart when they have the mirror wraps.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, you know, I like I can see that

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_05]: that unlocks some nostalgia in AJ's head right there.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, it did trip up a lot of people because we ended up with a four way tie.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Now on the feeds, Chelsea said that she tried to throw this

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: by giving a really low answer and that everyone else screwed up so badly

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that she accidentally won in the episode.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: She was just full on trying to win and even showed her work

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: with the math equation she used.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm kind of inclined to believe the episode version,

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_04]: although normally I wouldn't because

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_04]: it just kind of tracked.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And obviously there's incentive for her to act like she wasn't trying to win

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_04]: because she was saying, oh, I didn't even want to have to nominate you.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I was I wasn't even trying to win.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So that would be my guess.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But just to point that out to people.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: No, literally when she says she was throwing

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I expect her to put like a one or two and then she said 45.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, OK, 45 is also a low number.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: This one pulled out the algebra.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what are you like? What are you doing?

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I do agree like Cam and MJ and whoever the third person was, Kimo.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they all would be great.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just this week.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like keep blood off of your hands.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Have them to do your dirty work.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I would have loved it for Chelsea to throw it.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. When you know that you're in the tiebreaker with Cam

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_05]: and your ally, Mackenzie, your ally, Kimo, who you just saved.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So you probably assume he's not going to put you up.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Another person that won't put you up.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: You could just plus 5000 to your answer and call it a day if you wanted to throw it.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like saying you're throwing it and then putting down 45 minutes

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_05]: a conservative guess by middle of the pack.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Guess is what she was thinking.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't I feel like everyone knows you go high for throwing.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Like everyone knows the move is to just put an extra zero at the end

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and claim I'm bad at math.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm also like Cam.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But that didn't happen.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: See, OK. I do think that I might accidentally step backwards,

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: but I would not put an extra zero in my mouth.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that was.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the thing is, I don't want to judge too much on anyone's math skills,

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_05]: because I know that my mental math is decent.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's just when you look at the number 36000,

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_05]: you surely should think like that is way too many, too many zeros there.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: There's no shot.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of zeros. Yeah, it was a lot of zeros.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But I would throw zero on if I thought the number was like maybe it's too small.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what's the easy thing I could do real quick?

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Just to listen. Different people have different strength.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Because to me, I'm like the way I would think about it is, OK, well,

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_05]: 10 minutes is 600 seconds.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_05]: So automatically you can get there a little quicker.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, 600 times six, that's 3600.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Like that's easier.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_05]: So then 36000 is too many.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So he went. But the thing is with him, it's an innocent mistake.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. It's one extra zero.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Kimo said 12000 seconds.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Guess that's how did the math get there?

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So he said that he I think I I think I followed what he was saying.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, let's get there.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Which was that at one point he multiplied by two.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_04]: For no particular reason.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And if that's the case, then you could say like that

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: that he got to 6000, which is a slightly more reasonable guess

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and then multiplied by two to get to 12000,

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_04]: which is not as much of a reasonable guess.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, when you see the small enough number,

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: like you do whatever you can to make it bigger.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Letters, you know, not how it works.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes perfect sense to me.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But McKenzie technically had the closest number, but went over,

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_05]: which I feel like had that not been part of the ruling, she would have won the age.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think to be, you know, whether or not Chelsea, let's say

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_05]: let's go down the path of saying Chelsea wanted to win this.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she put the perfect argument together to the rest of the house of.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I wanted one of you to get the letter.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So I kind of lowballed it, thinking one of you would win

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_05]: because I was very OK with whoever won here.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that's a bad way to, you know, if again, if she is truly lying there,

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_05]: that's a very diplomatic way of putting it.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think no one faults her for winning.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's a good start.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a little skeptical of like claiming that you were trying to throw a competition

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_04]: because you are then putting it out there that you were potentially throwing

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: competitions, but it's not nearly as bad as.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I threw that one, guys.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't worry about it.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Joseph.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I think you do still need to be very careful about

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: even the idea of throwing.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's fine here for Chelsea, the new H.O.H.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And from here, things got a little weird timeline wise.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that they're very used to.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So typically how the feeds work after the H.O.H.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: is that or at least this has been the case in the last few seasons,

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: is that like people are tired.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: There's like a conversation or two with some of your allies about what your plans

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_04]: might be and then kind of go to bed.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_04]: You wake up the next morning.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You do some one on ones right up until the nomination ceremony.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You do your nominations and that's how it goes.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So in the episodes, you normally will see that like some hanging out, some initial

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: discussion on plans, maybe talking to some people.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And then toward the end of the episode, you get those one on one conversations

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_04]: with some campaigns and hey, I might put you on the block or this is what I might

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: be doing. And then you do the nominations this season.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: On Thursday nights, right after the person wins the H.O.H., they get straight

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_04]: to their one on ones and you'll notice them.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: They're up in the loft right outside of the H.O.H.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: room. And so anytime you see a one on one conversation happening with the H.O.H.,

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_04]: that's probably taking place immediately after they won.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but the episodes, they're still being structured like the schedule is the old

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_04]: way. So what we did is we went way forward in time

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_04]: to the following day pre noms.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Then we went way backward in time to Cam and Leah, which we'll talk about.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Then we went way forward in time again, then back in time to Thursday night for

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_04]: the one on ones, then forward ahead to the nomination ceremony.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And for the most part, it's not a huge deal because the one on ones are basically

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: telling you what the plan is going to be.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: The plan gets pretty locked in at that point.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But for one particular instance, it really got a little mixed up.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm specifically referring to this Leah situation because.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: We set up this Cam and Leah relationship, which was a thing back in week two.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And hasn't been a thing basically since then.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Since then, it's been Cam and MJ, but not really Cam and Leah.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, Cam was the first person Chelsea talked to, and he immediately said, I

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_04]: think you should target Leah.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Because she's going to come after you.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm hmm.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_04]: In the episode, they acted like Cam and Leah flirting was happening that night.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Then Leah talked to Chelsea, got on Chelsea's radar, then Chelsea questioned

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Cam about Leah because she was now on Chelsea's radar, when the reality is that

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea, that Cam put Leah on Chelsea's radar.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Then they had that weird conversation.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Then Chelsea talked to Leah and none of Cam and Leah flirting has anything to do

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: with any of this because they haven't done it in like two months.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But like it was also wild that Chelsea would even come for Cam like that at the

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: end of the day.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't make any sense.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Full stop.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So so I understand them trying to like add some like logic, add some reason,

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: like why would Chelsea be coming for Cam when truthfully she's just like, you know,

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: a little jealous.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: She's a jealous bee, which is fine.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You can be jealous.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not an attractive trait, but it's a trait that she has.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But like.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Chelsea, you have all the power, Cam's like literally giving you all good

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: advice, but also I think I noticed this last week.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't like when Cam had influence, like with MJ, she was like, no, this is

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Cam talking to what you really want, S.Y.Z.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So she might just wants to be the dominant person in this partnership between her

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and Cam.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And she don't like him having other friends.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, no, no.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Other friends are allowed, but other friends that you flirt with is not.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: That is the key.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_05]: No, no cuddling, no cuddling, no head scratches.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But I mean, Taryn, it was very wild that we literally go back to week two for some

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: of this footage.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And it was at this point that I thought, OK, yeah, there's way too much episode

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_05]: left. What are we doing?

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So they shoved this in.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_05]: To me, the Sunday night episodes are literally everything we watched for the

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Friday morning live feed update.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So like I'm very much on top of this episode and all the one on ones were

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_05]: disjointed.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_05]: We ended with the Cam one when Cam was the first one.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_05]: So it is interesting because I'd never thought about the fact that they're using

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_05]: the old format for this season's activity, which, by the way, just a personal

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_05]: shout out to this cast, because for so many years, Taryn, I've been getting dust

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_05]: to get to talk about on the Friday morning updates.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_05]: We have nothing to talk about.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_05]: We've literally done updates where we've put like plushies in front of ourselves

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_05]: instead of being there.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm personally very, very full and satisfied.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, this was a little bit all over the place.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. And part of that, too, was this Angela conversation between

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea and Angela.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_04]: There was some awkwardness there to get that conversation started, but they had

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_04]: already had a conversation.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_05]: They had a one on one.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So like, you know, it's it's it's a whole thing.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But but we do see some of this campaigning.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_04]: The basically what we see is that she is looking to put Angela on the block

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_04]: because obviously and we get this awkward exchange between the two of them.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It honestly I didn't feel like it quite captured the vibe of that conversation,

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_04]: that there was definitely a lot more tension and a bit more awkwardness in that

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_04]: conversation than I felt like we actually saw.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But we did at least get the like, I can do big things.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I can do hard things.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Just go ahead and put me up, which was very fun.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: No, like I enjoy Angela as a TV character and as a bit better player.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It she brings me so much joy and energy.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I like I love the edit.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be honest, her having to hype herself up in the edit to go talk to Chelsea.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you know what? That's a vibe.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That's energy. Like, I like that.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's funny. He he ha ha.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it didn't capture the energy.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But like we've been we've been getting the energy all season from Angela.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not something new that we need to experience.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We get it. Like like I think if you're watching at home, just assume it's worse

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_02]: than what they actually show of Angela because you're correct.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. So we also see that Chelsea is going to talk with T-Corp and I actually

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_04]: thought this I don't know if they did this on purpose, but they showed the bird

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_04]: poop. Right before the conversation where Chelsea tells T-Corp she kind of wants

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_04]: to put chemo on the block as a pawn and T-Corp being like, I don't like this,

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_04]: but the bird poop has to be on someone.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I if someone followed that through line and thought, OK, the bird poop caused

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_05]: this, I ridiculous.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_05]: That is absolutely well.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_05]: The but I genuinely did not cross my mind.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you didn't know the extra context there, you wouldn't really necessarily

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_05]: question it. Have either of you had bird poop on you before?

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Like real talk? Yes.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Same. I don't think so.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow. Must be nice.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so happy for you, Taren.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you've never had to experience that.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't think of a time.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was 12 and we were on this ferry.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I was in Sweden and we were on this ferry going towards Denmark and it pooped.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It hit me square on the back of my neck, not on my clothes.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm 12. I was just kind of like, you know, it shouldn't be a big deal.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I started crying.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I just burst into tears because I didn't know how to react to this.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And it didn't help that my mom's there, my sister's there.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And like this happens.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And instead of them like quickly reacting like that, it's bad.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_05]: They were already on the verge of laughing because it's funny.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And now I'm crying and they're laughing at me is how I feel.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_05]: So it was a for me.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, Asia, you tell me share your trauma with the group.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. I can't believe you would smear bird poop on Puya like that.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Is that you?

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you use a time machine to go to Sweden and do this to me?

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, you're only 12.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It was fine. Oh, yes.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. OK. All right.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was in Canada

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: for the R.H.A.P. event that y'all did like.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It was recent. It was recent.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And I, my flight landed early,

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: so I go to the hotel, can't check in yet, so I leave my bag stuff.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, let me walk around Canada.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me see what Canada is about.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like five, 10 minutes later,

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: bird poop on me and I freak out.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I have an emotional breakdown.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to run through the hotel lobby, embarrassed that people

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: have to see me with poop in the lobby, run to the bathroom.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Where'd you get hit?

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Try to clean me up.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, see, listen, did it did were you hit on your clothing?

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was on my face.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, you were able to wash your face and your clothes were fine.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. You think I was OK with that?

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You thought I was a mostly OK with poop on my face?

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Terrence, I can tell you've never been pooped on because that's not an OK feeling.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: What do I get out of you?

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Stop trying to make light of my terrible situation.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I was traumatized.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you've never been pooped.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Great out of context.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_05]: AJ, you get over it.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_05]: You're 20 something.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Well, I have yet to get over it.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. I can't believe you got your revenge on AJ in Canada.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I know I got my Canadian birds on it.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_05]: We got it done.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so funny that you say you're not over it yet.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yet when I was 12, this happened like move on.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It was a lot longer.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_05]: But that's that sticks with you when you're when you're younger, I feel like.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still not.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that gives you every that's as much content

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_05]: as we can squeeze out of the bird poop.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think no, but here's all the like people.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, don't you know it's good luck to get pooped on by a bird?

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good luck sign.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The devil is a lie.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I had no luck.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That was not part of my plan.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I was so upset.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It does scream gaslighting.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So you like.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, this is good luck.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the spin team at hard at work.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: They're trying to make you feel less bad about it.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Be grateful.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Gross.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, boy.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I so ultimately we see that the decision is made.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea's going to let Kimo know he doesn't have much defense here.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And she is going to nominate Angela and Kimo.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_04]: She tells us in the diary room that Angela is the target.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Kimo is the pawn.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And Leah might end up being a replacement at some point.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So watch out, Leah.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: But but Angela, she's not happy.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_04]: She says, you're going to call me the Taylor Hale of the season.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, just you wait.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to win.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to win and show you.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's exactly what Chelsea was saying to him.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_04]: She was saying, hey, Taylor Hale was put on the block a lot and she won.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Angela was like, oh, wow, you're calling me Taylor Hale.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, guess what?

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Taylor Hale won and I will to eat that

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: like just like I'm eating these Lay's chips.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But first things first, I would love for more people to tell me I'm like Taylor Hale.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the greatest compliment I could be ever given.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'd be so happy if I was Angela and Chelsea.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll be honest, I did feel that way.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, no, you're not allowed to eat chips in the dining room.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not OK.

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You've not earned those lays yet.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because listen, here's the thing.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_04]: She's already got her own thing.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the charcuterie.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she already got her own food brand branding in the house.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_04]: If you listen, Angela, I'm telling you, like stick to your own brand.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: That's it's a better play.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You like you're not getting the lay sponsorships.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Go for a charcuterie brand sponsorship.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You might actually get something good there.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they need more positive representation, Angela.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like so go for it.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have crazy eyes?

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Try our charcuterie board.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_05]: They're for everybody except for you, don't eat any.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I adore that.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Like nobody's taking my charcuterie board.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So there it is.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That is the anything else from the episode that we should bring up

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_04]: before we get into some spoilers?

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_05]: No, honestly, I think again, I coming into this,

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I felt like we're we have a bit of slim pickings,

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_05]: but I feel like we found a lot of good things in what I may have thought

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_05]: were not going to be available to us.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, all right.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we've talked about it for 40 minutes.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get some spoilers.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_03]: The Office of Civil Defense has issued the following message.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a spoiler warning, a spoiler warning means that an actual

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: spoiler against this country has been detected and that protective action

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: should be taken.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, so.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_04]: You may have listened to the update this morning, if you have,

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_04]: then you know where things were as of this morning.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'll catch you up to that with Angela and chemo on the block.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_04]: The target quickly shifted to chemo

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_04]: as Quinn and MJ and cam were all kind of leaning in that direction.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Then they played in the veto competition and it was OTAV and it was over in one

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_04]: round.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_04]: They all got the question wrong except for MJ who won the veto,

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_04]: won OTAV making history.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_04]: These players continue to just sort of.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You know.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Be big brother 26.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ had the veto.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_04]: She does not want to use the veto, she says after winning.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: The target is firmly on chemo.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_04]: That is where things stand until this morning after the update.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, one thing that happened last night is that when Quinn and Leah were

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_04]: hanging out.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Somebody was watching them.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_04]: One.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Crazy I Angela and I think it was what Wednesday.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It might have been Wednesday.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me just quickly check the schedule.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I was talking with a man and Maggie.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was no.

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It was Thursday.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It was Thursday.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it was Jacob and Sasha.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We were talking about the veto and how Leah had used the veto on Angela and

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_04]: it was like, hey guys, like this is this is the one.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_04]: This is the Angela is going to be loyal to Leah this time.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like a mother daughter relationship and I said, listen, if you

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_04]: guys want to believe.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You can but it's only a matter of time and it turns out it was only a matter

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_04]: of days.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Angela.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Went hard and went to Chelsea and said, hey, Leah is secretly working with

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Quinn and they're trying to make an alliance with T-Core and chemo and

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Rubina and you need to take one of them out by using the veto.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got to do it and Chelsea went.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_04]: OK.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_04]: This is Angela.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell Angela on the block post veto that she lost thinks she's going home.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_04]: It's Angela.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It's Angela.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That's five reasons to not.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I believe it.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's probably true.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_05]: The way this house works this season is so damn unpredictable because so

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_05]: many people will believe a thing that they've concocted themselves or run

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_05]: that narrative as fact to others with conviction and without questioning

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_05]: it twice, it becomes the narrative and it seeps through the house.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Can I say something that was said today on the live feeds?

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Please spit.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think Angela is the kind of person that would make something like

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_04]: that up.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Can I say something else that was said on the live feeds today after this

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff with Angela and the turning on Leah?

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Angela would never put us up if we use the veto on her.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_05]: She'd be loyal to us.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, boy.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So they started talking about it and this is the really wild thing because

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I was saying Chelsea's making a mistake.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_04]: She needs to be targeting Quinn or Leah.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I don't think that she should be targeting chemo.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, or Angela to some degree, but primarily it should be Quinn or Leah.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So when she believes Angela, theoretically at least, she starts

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_04]: thinking about well, maybe we should use the veto on Angela and take

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_04]: a shot at Quinn and I'm just like, okay.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you got there.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the move.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Talk about backwards.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about backwards before falling into the position backwards.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Somehow.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I care to my thing and I'll be generous to Chelsea, but like, you know

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: what? You might not deserve this because I've seen you this season.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this might just like fit the narrative that she wanted anyway.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she already did not feel good about Leah and Quinn.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were talking about last week how Quinn needs to go like

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Quinn that cannot be in the game for a long period of time.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So Angela given this information, it could just be like, okay, here's

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: an excuse and I'm glad I had an excuse because I already betrayed

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_02]: this man and I don't want to lose that vote.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you are plotting against me first baby, first off, don't talk

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: about me when I'm at your age.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't be stupid.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like being a good bit better player.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, I agree.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And there is some evidence pointing in this direction because they

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_04]: have since realized that Angela was full of it and that this is not

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_04]: true. But even so, they're like, well, maybe we should still make

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_04]: the move though.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think what happened here, my best guess is that it's a little

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_04]: bit of a combination of both where she did actually believe it

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_04]: initially.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It opened her mind.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_04]: She started thinking about possibilities realized, oh, I can make

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_04]: this move. We could couldn't we?

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And it actually kind of makes sense.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we should do it.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And then when she realized the thing was fake and it wasn't true.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_04]: She was like that her mind had been opened at that point.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_04]: She had thought through her options again in a new way and she

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_04]: had realized at that point.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: This actually is the move regardless of what Angela said.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, it's like she kind of got kickstarted from a weird

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_04]: place but like got to the it wasn't like it's not like she's still

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: making this move from a place of ignorance.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_04]: She has since sort of seemingly realized that it actually is a pretty

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_04]: decent thing to do at least again.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_04]: That's from my perspective.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Not everyone agrees with my perspective on this because a lot of

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_04]: people still think that taking out chemo is the better play because

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_04]: chemo is part of that trio and that Chelsea should get rid of that

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_04]: trio. I've made my case for why I think this is the better play.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_04]: For Chelsea, but there's definitely some good arguments in the other

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_05]: direction. This is what I'm saying about the fascination.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I have with the season right now is that you can literally look at

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_05]: both outcomes and both can be a good move.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think a lot of it has to do again with the cross alliances.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_05]: You're happy.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_05]: You have this person's back.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_05]: You're looking to work with this person.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You want to bring this person closer and I think there's definitely a

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_05]: lot of different ways to see it.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And I definitely think there's a lot of different ways that the groupings

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_05]: can shake out outside.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Again, the trio being locked, locked in everyone else.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like there's still some fluidity there and like people can bounce

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_05]: over to each other.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm very intrigued by it.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And not often are we going to be in a situation like this where like

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_05]: an alliance of three could literally need a different person leaf,

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_05]: all three of them, and they'd be in a better spot for it.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm intrigued by this.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like I don't know.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so curious to see where we go from here because I do think I think

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the toothpaste came out of the tube.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I think at this point initially it was that confirmation bias that

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_05]: seeped in and now as I'm reading updates as they're coming along,

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like they're just looking for any reason to make this happen.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be honest.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a part of the camera.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I hated these nominations.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate the Angela and Kimo nominations full stop.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I really felt like she should have just did Leah and Quinn so

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that way she can guarantee at least one of them goes home this week.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, she wants to play safe.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: She wants to have a steady HOH fine.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But like at the end of the day,

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like it does not matter how upset you are at Chelsea because you're

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be upset with Chelsea, Leah or Quinn, whoever six in it.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you still got a trio right there.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I understand you're annoyed with me,

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: but y'all just gonna leave those three to run the game for another

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: weeks. And also like don't be like, oh yeah,

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: this was a last minute decision Kimo.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like no, you are priority of mine.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I fought for you.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted you to stay as my Z.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm glad you're here.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And listen, I will happily be your fourth me and MJ.

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I sure for fifth.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Give that to me.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: MJ wants me at the end and we're better at competitions than you.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's what I feel like she should have been doing, but you

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: know, I'm not mad at him.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Now the interesting thing to me is that while I do think that for

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea, this is the move.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I very much don't think it's the move or MJ or cam right?

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And they are actually the ones that seem to be pushing it harder.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That part.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the big thing for me is that reading cam pushed so hard now

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_05]: to want Quinn to be up and not Leah is interesting to me for him.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't quite get it.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I also think with McKenzie, like to me,

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_05]: the way I see the pieces right now,

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Kimo leaving was better for them from where I'm standing

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_05]: very much.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So, so for them to want to switch up like this, I'm not sure.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Also, I really like that.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: We, you know, McKenzie's really been growing on me as the season's

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_05]: gone along.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like she's been a lot of fun.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_05]: She's also contributed to a lot of the high on your own information

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_05]: supply and then dish it out and then becomes fact somehow for you.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But the one thing McKenzie keeps talking about is how she does not

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_05]: want to be perceived as a threat.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_05]: She doesn't want people putting out the narrative that she's a

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_05]: comp beast, but then she's having one-on-ones like she's the damage

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_05]: OH as the veto holder.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Like then don't do this.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't don't seem like you're in a power position.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I also agree with that.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. I don't think this is the right move for those two as at

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_05]: least as of right now.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe things change.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I like to like, I hate this move for camp, like full stop.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate it.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's making cam seem like a punk.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he ain't got no will in his game at all.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what can once heater wants to go with the flow or his allies

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_02]: are doing stuff without him.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And what actual sway do cam actually have in this house?

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what actual hit me.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_05]: AJ, you earlier talked about in the, in the episode part,

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_05]: you talked about how a new cam would be a cam that's out there

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_05]: for the W no matter what, looking for the win.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Cam's ideal final three that he's trying to position himself for

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_05]: is with Chelsea and a losing final three, a at best second place,

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_05]: final three.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a losing game.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That is not a game that's good for you at the moment.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_05]: So, and, and, and, you know, I talked about the fascination.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I think again, the cross Alliance is coming into play.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I think trying to get into that position is not good for him

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_05]: because also he's setting himself up for, you might not even see

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_05]: the final three at that point.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_05]: There's plenty of other people that you'd want to be bringing

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_05]: to the final five who will clip you before Chelsea, before T-Corp.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So you might not even make it all the way there.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_04]: There's, there's a world where cam and MJ right now take over

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_04]: this game and become the two front runners.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's an easy path for them to do that.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_04]: If they were locked in together and, and took each other down

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_04]: to the end, I think they both have decent chances against

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_04]: each other and probably more likely is that they bring somebody

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_04]: like Angela down to the final three and then just compete

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_04]: it out in the final HOH and see who wins.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But like the two of them, I think could run this game if they got

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_04]: on the same page and started making decisions that benefited

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_04]: them and not Chelsea.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But what's happening instead is that they are making decisions

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_04]: that benefit Chelsea and not them.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And the curious part about it is that I don't think that

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_04]: they realize they're doing it.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think that they're being tricked into doing it either.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that they think that they are making decisions that

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: benefit them individually, but they are decisions that are

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_04]: instead benefiting like the group which includes Chelsea,

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_04]: which is, is kind of the problem.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, MJ, I think is looking to make a big move

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_04]: to make a mark on the game and she sees Quinn is that big move.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And so she's been angling at taking a shot at Quinn for a while.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_04]: What she doesn't realize is that doing this on Chelsea's HOH

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_04]: not only does not mean that you get the big move, but like

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_04]: it means that Chelsea gets the big move.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And then all in an already stacked jury against you,

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_04]: it's making Chelsea's resume bigger, not yours.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's also getting rid of one of your best assets to take out

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_04]: either Chelsea or some of the people surrounding Chelsea,

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_04]: who is your biggest problem in this game right now.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And I understand that Chelsea is also her biggest asset.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying she should target Chelsea by any means,

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_04]: but she should not be looking to get onto the final four

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_04]: with Chelsea, T-Core, Cam or anything like that.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_04]: They want to bring her to five and then cut her.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, and, and even if she does start winning comps from that point,

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_04]: who can she beat at that point?

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: If she's taking Chelsea, she's, I think, losing.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_04]: If she's taking, you know, she's not going to take T-Core.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe if she takes Cam, she can beat him.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, again, that requires a certain set of circumstances

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_04]: to play out in a certain way.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And as long as that trio stays in the game,

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_04]: it's, that's a lot of trouble,

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_04]: especially if you're taking out Quinn for them.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Who do they have left to target after Quinn is gone?

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Leah? Angela?

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's it?

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's it?

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_04]: After those two, if Leah wins the veto, who are they targeting?

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it Chelsea? No.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Are they really going to take out Angela at that point?

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_04]: When you're in the game?

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Are they taking the shot at Cam?

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Most likely they're taking the shot at you.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's not great.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not great for MJ.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's very interesting to see her thought process right now.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She's not completely decided,

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_04]: but she's definitely pretty heavily leaning toward it.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, it's interesting because obviously I've been

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_04]: campaigning for this move to happen for Chelsea all week long.

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_04]: But now that MJ is a part of this decision-making process,

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_04]: it's interesting to look at it from her perspective as well.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think for her, it's actually the opposite,

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_04]: which is so interesting because she's working so tightly with Chelsea

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and their interests are so separate.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And they were so separate last week too.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it's a weird layout.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a weird layout,

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: but I also get it from McKenzie's point of view

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_02]: because how many opportunities are you going to have to take out Quinn?

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Quinn wins HOH's here.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I believe, and tell me I'm wrong, but I'm not.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that Quinn is the second best competition person

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_02]: in the house remaining, if not third best.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I think probably, but like,

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_04]: how much is that really saying at this point?

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me tell you about a guy named Jack.

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_04]: That's very true.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I do not disagree.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But like, I don't think I'm worried about that if I'm MJ.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know,

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I can.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I understand.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I can see that it also like does not help that like

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: what's beneficial to the group is really just beneficial for Chelsea.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I think MJ's like on this crusade to like be her own player

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and make her own moves and leave her own stamp on this game.

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And what's the stamp then?

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like sitting on a veto, like what does that even do for you?

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Now using a veto to help get out one of your big competitors.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It does not leave her in a good position.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, Taryn, like, oh, she's in a bad spot.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The second at best threat target in the house.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But also like she can win competition.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like when people rely on competition wins, but McKenzie

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: versus T-Core and Kimo and Rabina.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I would put my money on McKenzie to win the H-O-H or veto if need be.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a risky move.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the better move is for Kimo to go to sleep for her 100 percent.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not like a game losing move for McKenzie in my opinion.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I think for me, if I was sitting in that house.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, Quinn can win a lot of comps from here on out.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, Quinn has been, you know, for the same reason that you should be

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_05]: looking at Angela and think, you know, anyone that's paid Angela mind

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_05]: has literally had their backs turned and just turned their backs on him

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: and got him out. Quinn has sold out a lot of his alliances,

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: has revealed a lot, whatever, whatever.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I would have to put a pause on that and then look over at this group

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: of three that are at the final nine right now, punching ticket

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_05]: the final eight. And they're always going to be each other's number one

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_05]: priorities. Even if I feel good about one or two of them,

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: they still have each other as top two.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm third in that equation. And then at final eight,

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_05]: two people are on the block. One is H-O-H.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_05]: That leaves five votes. If these three are not on the block

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_05]: and not the H-O-H, they decide who goes home.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: That is way too much power. So if I feel good about two of them

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_05]: and the third one I like but is not in my game plans,

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_05]: let me let them go. That would be a little bit better for me, potentially.

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know. It's I don't know, because also a lot of conversation

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: about how Quinn and Leah are a two now and they're a strong duo

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_05]: that you should be worrying about. But that's a strong trio

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: that you should be worried about. They're working together.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_05]: They will always prioritize each other and also clearly have good enough

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_05]: game connections with everyone that's one H-O-H where they're still here

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: intact. Like, think of it that way as well.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like, you know, again, I keep bringing up this thing

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Quinn said about Angela taking a spot at the final two.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I think right now, if I'm anybody, I'm also looking at Angela

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_05]: and thinking it's the kiss of death. You put Angela next to me

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_05]: on the block, either she's going to stay and I go

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: or the veto gets used and maybe they put someone else up next to me.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm never going to trust that Angela is going home.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Why should I trust Angela's going home? The later it gets,

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_05]: the more people are like, you want Angela out? Do it on your H-O-H.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I have one more. I have there's the corner of the year,

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_05]: bigger fish to fry this season. There's always going to be bigger fish.

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And if I keep getting rid of the bigger fish, who's next?

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's the next big fish? Me. Me. Next to Angela. Me.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So and, and, and I think importantly, you are the big fish

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: to fry in a house that you are situation like you are positioned

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: at the bottom of like in a house of eight people.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Three of them are locked in. Chelsea is their number one priority

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: outside of their alliance. Cam is, you know, cam is maybe

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: the next priority, at least for Chelsea. You are maybe in there.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, then again, there's only two other people

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_04]: in the outside of that. You are the most like threatening

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: competition wise person outside of that. Why in the world would they

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: bother with Leah when you're sitting right there and they can just

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: take you out and then they're even closer to the end.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So even if you don't get taken out, you are not seen as in charge

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: of this. And I think importantly for MJ, she's running quickly

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: out of people that she can beat in the final two. If she's looking

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: at Chelsea, T-Core, you know, what happens with Rubina

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: or even chemo who can give a great speech when they have two

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_04]: locked in votes already and one of them is T-Core, the most

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: influential person in the game. You know, then, you know,

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: is it cam? Can you be cam like maybe? And certainly there's

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: a world where she struggles against Quinn. He has that kind

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: of like plucky underdog thing going for him as well. But but

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: like, you know, you just you have to start, you know, Leah

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and Angela are like the people that you can for sure be right

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: now. And if you take out Quinn, you are hoping and praying

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that Angela and Leah are the next two people taken out of

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: the game as your buffer, which means if that does happen,

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: who do you have left that you can be? Now you need to somehow

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe get to the end with chemo or Rubina and like hope that

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: you can get into that trio and take one of them to the end

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: by winning so many competitions that you're able to just

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: forcefully, you know, position the game in your direction. I

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_04]: think it's a tricky is a tricky proposition is a tricky place

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: to be. But I think AJ to your credit, I think what you have

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: said is exactly MJ's thought process. I want to do something

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: for me. It feels like it's for me. Now. I think ironically,

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: it is a move that is for Chelsea. But I do. I think that

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: she thinks it in the way that you are thinking of it as and

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: there is some potential validity to that path. If the

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: competitions can play out in that way, and I think that's the

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: way cam sees it as well. I think that's what he was saying to

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ just a second ago was with Quinn gone. I think you and I

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: can run the table and that is certainly possible, especially

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: in the new era hasn't exactly been that way this season at

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: this point. I'd start to be a little worried. Now, if I'm, you

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: know, if Tucker was still in the game and hours in the game,

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not taking the chance that the game is going to be like

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: that. But if I'm the Tucker in this scenario or worse, a lesser

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: version of a comp Beast Tucker, I definitely don't want to rely

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: on winning all these comps at the end given the history of the

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: competitions just the season so far. So it's an interesting

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: scenario. They're debating it right now as we speak. So stay

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: tuned tomorrow. I will be back 11 a.m. Eastern to update you

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_04]: on everything that happens with this discussion and what their

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: decision ends up being. I think they've gone back and forth

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: between using the veto on Angela or using it on chemo. They've

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: gone back and forth between nominating Quinn or nominating

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Leah as the target and and potentially just not using it at

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: all is still theoretically an option. So we will have to wait

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and see what they decide. Anything else we should talk about

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: though before we wrap this up? I mean, I just saw them talking

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: about how well the trio seems worried about Quinn and Leah as

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: a positive thing like yeah when a three is looking at a two

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: and they're like I'm worried that they're almost three like us.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: We're on the same level. Don't give them the satisfaction of

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_05]: making it a three to one. Anyway, it's funny because I'm

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: sitting here and this is all good mess. But you know when

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_05]: you watch a streamer play a video game or you watch anybody

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_05]: play video game like a YouTube channel, whatever you either

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: want it to be very good gameplay or very entertaining and funny

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_05]: gameplay. But what's frustrating for me personally, like I've

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_05]: watched plenty of streamers play Among Us. I'm going to go off

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: the book here. Okay. I think the thing that peeves me is when

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: the players don't pay attention to the rules or the roles and

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_05]: then they have no idea why something happened. And I'm like

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_05]: just think for two seconds. It's so easy. It's right in front of

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_05]: you. And I think I'm having that experience right now. I'm like

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_05]: it's messy. So it's fun. It's delusional. So it's fun. But

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: also it's I cannot but I can't turn that part of my brain

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: around like it's frustrating that you don't see it in front

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_05]: of you and you're going to see it later. But I'm excited because

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_05]: the more this the more entertaining things are going to

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_05]: be down the line. So can't complain in that regard. I

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: already think they've guaranteed that the Monday feeds post

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_05]: veto ceremony are going to be magnificent. So I'm here for

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: all of that. Yeah. Might even be worth considering if this

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Quinn Renam does happen. There's still a chance the vote could

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: flip back. It is theoretically an undoable move. If you take

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Angela off the block leave chemo, you still have the votes

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: to take chemo out if you want at least with a tiebreaker which

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea might be reluctant to do. But depending on how Quinn

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_04]: reacts, there's still a chance he could like he for his way

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: back into the game. You know, wild. Yeah, I think I think

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that wouldn't even be a bad move if I'm being honest with you

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: to use the veto get Quinn up there and then save his ass

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: like because because he's loyal to us if we keep him. No,

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: you won't. But that means you weaken the trio. Like now

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: they're down to two. You have Quinn who's going to be most

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: upset with Chelsea. He already wants Chelsea gone this week.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And now he even has a more incentive to take her out. Then

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: he also has Leah. Like if I'm MJ or Kim, I'm like I might end

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: up with Chelsea. Maybe that might be an issue. However, I

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: think Chelsea will go and if not Chelsea, then I think one of

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: T-Corp is probably going to go in the instead. So I think

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: messing it up, messing up Chelsea's HH is not a bad move.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I think it might be a good one. I agree. I agree.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the problem is that you need Chelsea to break the tie

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: in order to make it happen because Angela will vote with

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_04]: T-Corp and Rubina to keep chemo over Quinn. So it will it

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: will be a three three tie, which means you can't like forcibly

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_04]: screw Chelsea up there. I would not that they would have anyway,

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah, they wouldn't have. I'm a but I just told me to rely

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: on Angela vote. I think my big one of my you know what? Fair

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_05]: enough. One of the things I stand by is that I feel like the

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: culture of a season is set by the players in the early goings

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_05]: and because of our unpredictable and messy and how much people

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_05]: have been allowed to go against what the HOH wants flip around

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_05]: their decisions. It's made for a very exciting like road to the

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: eviction every week. And I think that this is the first week

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_05]: without the AI arena. They don't quite have that experience yet.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they're still going to follow that energy of being a

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_05]: little bit all over the board potentially now Quinn obviously

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_05]: is one of the few people that I think you put on the block in

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: this situation and most likely they're going to be like, yeah,

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_05]: let's just boot up. Let's just have that go. I think also the

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_05]: tie vote thing, you know, the one thing that that Chelsea has

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_05]: said is I do not want to vote this week. And the one thing she

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: said before we saw the HOH comp this week was I would put chemo

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_05]: up because then I don't have to vote him out. My hands are

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: clean. So ain't no way she's gonna then break the tie to vote

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: him out after saying that and kind of not wanting to be the

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: one to do it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: think she doesn't want anything to do with all this. But again,

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_05]: the night is young. The week is young. It's not even Monday yet.

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_05]: There's still plenty to go. So we'll see how it plays. See,

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_04]: this is my problem. Who? Yeah, is that I'm reading what's

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_04]: happening right now. I'm seeing it on one side of my screen.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm reading what they're saying on the other side of my screen.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And I've spent the last 20 minutes explaining why I think

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: this is a great move for Chelsea in a terrible move for MJ. What

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm seeing and what I'm reading is that right now Chelsea

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_04]: is arguing against it the most. MJ is arguing for it the most.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that frustrates me. I think what's funny is that I feel

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_05]: like because it started being a well, maybe we use it on chemo

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_05]: then. Oh no, we use it on. I think there's too many variations

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_05]: of this that have happened now and it's making it be a bloodless

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_05]: week to a blood full week is kind of what's going on in her

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_05]: head. That'd be so funny though if after all of this day, because

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_05]: literally I listened to the update, Taryn, I started looking

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: at what's going on after and it was outdated. It'd be so funny

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_05]: if you give us all of this tomorrow morning and then it's

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: outdated by the ceremony like that. This is the season we're

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_05]: dealing with. It's been it's been fun and it really has given

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_05]: the energy of your blink and you miss key things that happen

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and change. So yeah. All right. Well, I listen, I got to get

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_04]: off of this podcast so I can watch this conversation. You should

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: before it changes again. All right. Well, that's what we have

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: for you tonight. I'll be back tomorrow morning. I'll update

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: you on everything that happens with this conversation and

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: everything else that's gone on today on the Big Brother 26 live

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: feed. So stay tuned for that. Of course, on Tuesday, we'll have

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: the roundtable. We'll rate these players should be an interesting

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_04]: one. And the week will continue from there. In the meantime,

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: we've got our scripted TV coverage, rings of power,

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_04]: tastemakers, industry, some fun stuff happening over there. I'm

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: also on Twitch if you want to watch the episodes with me. Also,

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_04]: we and I will be talking some circles soon. So the circle has

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_04]: circled back around and we're gonna be talking about it again.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm excited. Should be a good time. You know, I feel like

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: for a while the circle was in the trenches. We were not feeling

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: it a little bit. Then they came back with, I would argue, their

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: best US season yet last year. We got to get introduced to some

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_05]: great characters, great people, the shout out QT out there. And

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_05]: so we'll see what this season brings. I'm intrigued. I'm

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_05]: intrigued to see potentially what they've got in store for us.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Hmm. All right. Anything else? Find me on Twitter at

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Puyism, twitch.tv slash Puya 90 day fiance podcast. We're talking

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: about before the 90 days, brand new season. Good times were had.

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Liana was my guest last week for the premiere. I've got Laveena

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_05]: joining me for her first time on the 90 day podcast this week.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And myself and Chappelle talked about the entirety of season three

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_05]: of Bel Air. We had a good time there on recap kickbacks. You can

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: check that out. And AJ and I are friends, so no smear campaign

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_04]: here for me. All right. AJ, anybody else you're going to be

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[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: a shot, OK? But you can find me on Twitter at Ducking North.

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[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Well, thank you all so much for joining us here

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: tonight. We will see all of you next time.